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www.shamansociety.org21strongerandshehasanintensebondwithherspirithelpers.Shereliesalotupontheminthisprocessofchangegainingunderstandingandself-knowledge.WhatisitthatyoufeeltheSpiritscanofferthatconventionalmedicineorpsychologicalcounselingcannotThereisadifference.Intraditionalpsychotherapywemostlyworkwithexperiencesthoughtsemotions.Withshamanismwecanreachmuchdeeperdimensions.Apatientisenabledtoquicklysolveseriousproblemsthatwouldnormallyrequirealongprocess.Shecanevaluatesituationsfromapreviouslyunknownperspective.Mostimportantlyherownresourcesaremorepresenttoherandhelpherdealwithdifficultsituations.Herautonomyincreasesandadependencydoesnotdevelopwiththepsychotherapist.Itisveryimportantthatsolutionscomefromtheclient.WorkingwiththespiritsisempoweringTraditionalpsychologicalcategoriesbecomemeaninglesswhenitcomestoshamanicwork.Thepatientisneveronherown.Shecanturntoherspirithelpersanytime.Thecontrolisinherhands.Ifsomebodylearnstojourneywellhasastrongconnectiontoherspirithelpersandmanagestounlockthemessagesshecanworkonherissuesanddreamsevenwithoutacounselorortherapist.HowdoyourSpiritsfeelaboutthisworkWhathaveyoulearnedfromtheSpiritsaboutcancerandworkingwithcancerpatientsAccordingtothemcancerisamanifestationofalossofbalanceinthefunctionsofthepersonalitythelossofemotionalbalancebeyondwhichthereareimportantlearningprocessesindispensableforthesoul.Thisdiseasecancerstartsalearninganddevelopmentalprocessbothforthepatientandhissur-roundings.TheyhavetoldmeThisdiseaseislikeahugespi-derlyinginambushwaitingfortherightmomenttopounceandsuckthevitalenergyofthepatient.Escapeisthroughcuttingthespidernetwhichholdsthespiderandprovidesmovementforit.Bycuttingthenetthespiderbecomesunvi-ablecondemningittoatrophy.WhatadvicewouldyougivetothosewhowishtocombineshamanismwithcounselingorpsychotherapyWhatisimportanttoconsiderAgoalhastobesetstatingwhatwewanttoaccomplishwithourjointwork.Ithastobeclearfortheclientandthethera-pistthattheworkisdonebytheclientsspirithelpers-withtheindispensableactiveinvolvementoftheclient.Shamaniccounselingrequiresarigorouspracticeandself-discipline.Journeysthatwerepreviouslyagreeduponcanbemadeathomethentheprocessingcanhappeninthetherapistsoffice.Themergingofshamanicworkwithpsychotherapyisaninterestingdance.Ithastobeadynamicrelationshipwherespirithelpersofthetherapistarealwaysaround.Butintermsofbehaviorandwordingthecredibilityofthepsychologisthastobemaintained.DoesitfeeldifferentforyouwhenworkingwithaclientinapsychotherapysessionorworkingwiththemshamanicallyYesIdoworkdifferentlywhenIcanonlybuildontherep-ertoireofpsychologicaltools.ButIcannotalwaysdistinguishbetweenthetwomethodsthesedaysMyhelpersaregenerallyaroundandtheysometimescomeupwithsurprisingideasinthetherapeuticprocess.Myhelpersteachmealotmostlybygivinginsightsaboutwhatishappeningbeyondtheconcretemanifestreality.Theseinsightsrevealamoregenuinemeaning.Theyencouragemetounderstandtheoperationsofacomplexexpandedworld.HowdoyouworkwiththeSpiritstosupportyourselfandtogetguidanceforFirebirdMyspirithelpersarealwaysaroundandIparticularlycon-sultthemindifficultsituations.WhenIamuncertainwhetherornottooffershamaniccounselingtoaclientorwhenIamstuckinatherapeuticprocessIalwaysjourneyforhelp.IaskforguidanceaboutwhichwaytofollowortobeshownwhatIamunabletosee.Igotothemforsupervisionregularly.Ipresentinterestingorchallengingcasestothem.SometimesweevenargueIalsoconsultthemregardingmyowndoubtsmyowndifficultiesandmyownlifesituations.SometimeswhenIgetverytiredorhavehadenoughofthesadnessandpainIjustsurrendertotheminmyjourneys.Andtheycleanmehealmeandrechargemybatteries.ABOUTTHEAUTHORSMagdaRohanszkybeganpracticingClinicalPsychologyin1975.Shehasbeenworkingwithcancerpatientsforfifteenyears.In2006shestartedTheFirebirdFoundationandbecamepresidentoftheHungarianPsycho-OncologySocietyofwhichshewasafoundingmember.ShehasfourchildrenandfourgrandchildrenandlivesinBudapestHungary.Shecanbereachedattuzmadar51gmail.comDianaDenkehasanMscinInternationalRelationsandiscurrentlytakingadegreeinPsychology.ShehasstudiedBuddhismandmeditationinBurmaandhasanactiveshamanicpractice.Shehasalsotranslatedthisinterview.