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www.shamansociety.org 7 Celebrating 20 Years of Service in the Bay Area and Beyond Indigenous Lifeways Program-Path of the Human Being Way of the Awakened Warrior Traditional Native Healing and Ceremonies Rites of Passage Plant Medicine Counseling Bodywork Instruction in Tai Chi Chuan Native Drum FluteDidgeridoo Phillip ScottFounderDirectoris of mixed Ancestryincluding Oklahoma Tsalagiand a Ceremonial Leader in the Lakota Tradition. He has walked the Native Path for over 30 yearslearning from MedicineHoly PeopleTribal Spiritual Leaders Elders and Shamans from various cultures. PhillipAncestralVoice.org www.AncestralVoice.org 415 897-7991 turn actors around in a few moments to give spectacular and honest performances. And Id say to myself Thats exactly what I want to be able to do Later on I would meet Glynn MacDonald at The Globe the famous theater of Shakespeare who was working with whirling dervish techniques. She would stand us between the two famous pillars of The Globes stage and have us energetically hold space. It was from her that I learned the incantation that they use there on the stage I take from the Earth all that I need and bring it into me I take from the Heavens all that I need and bring it into me And once it is inside of me I give it away. I still use this incantation with my actors today as a power- ful invocation before opening performances. The impact is often profound and I cant thank Glynn enough for teaching it to me. CC And of course there were those who were not sup- portive of the process you were going through. VM Yes the flip side is that I met other people for whom what I was exploring was terrifying because it demanded a lot of the people involved including instructors. In my naivete I just went full force and we clashed because I couldnt understand how anyone would not want something this fantastic that took the craft to a spiritual level that asked the actors and audience the biggest questions Who am I and Why am I I know now for some people thats asking too much thats not why they come to theater. So for me a huge lesson during my recovery period was learning to respect and acknowledge others path in theater even if its not my own. CC As you share this I find myself thinking about the shamanic process of dismemberment and then of remember- ment as we remember who we deeply are. It seems there are a lot of parallels here. There really were. I started experiencing moments of hav- ing my foundation kicked out from under me not knowing whether what I was doing had any grounding any more. Having gone through the process of bringing everything that I was up to the surface and then suddenly having to bring it all into question in a manner that had no resolution was very difficult. And there wasnt anyone I had at the time that I could talk to in a professional setting about seeing auras or feeling body energies. So part of the difficulty was not just the dismemberment but feeling very alone in it. As I look back I can see there were some voices. Nadine George said what I needed to do was sit in this and come back to her when I found my way through it. She understood that for what I was going through there was nothing she could do except have me come back and see her when I was done with the process. She was right but it was very hard to hear. Everything in the universe seemed to conspire and say You are done There was something I needed to learn and couldnt. I believe the universe gives you what you need and if youre not listening theyll give it to you again harder. I feel I was given the opportunity to learn the lesson of compassion for those I work with and since I didnt learn it the first time the universe sent me home without that degree. CC Sounds like a dark night of the soul very painful confusing and bleak. VM I remember one of the hardest things I had to do was Ancestral Voice is a Center of Healing and Learning devoted to the preservationapplication and respectful dissemination of Shamanic and Indigenous Lifeways.