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www.shamansociety.org 19 Bryon Cosmology provides the structure for people to develop and unfold. It is a code. Herrera Yes. The cosmology or code provides a structure. Bryon From the cosmology we can also draw practices and the rituals. Then from ritual we can draw healing Herrera Ritual is one pathway to engage in massive perceptual shifts to see and understand your situation mythically. Transformation is determined by how you hold your intent and vision. Ritual elicits in the individual deeper meaning and com- mitment and after the healing takes place there is transformation. Bryon Does transformation also require ritual Herrera The ritual is the structure that supports the shift from physical reality to energetic or soul experience. Transformation is structural involving energetic change and healing in the luminous body. Often these energetic changes occur in the process of receiving initiation rites for example when the lineage of one shaman is passed down to an apprentice through ritual. Transformation can also occur through direct energetic download with the sacred mountain as it does when one becomes Altomesayok. Herrera Ceremony is the landscape of the sacred but ritual is the enactment. Ritual not ceremony can move us out of pain. The rituals allow us to tap back into the primordial healing memories. Tapping into those sources with pure intent and love we nd the memories of our healed states. I think it is what feels right in your heart. Whatever it is that you nd deep within you that makes you comfortable gives you a smile makes you passionate makes you cre- ative gives voice to that environment and produces transformation that heals hearts and minds. It has to do with cultivating within how you nurture whats within you. Bryon You have said that you source from the mountains instead of people. In other words you draw from your energetic connection with the land by being in ayni in right-relationship with all living things. Would you say more Herrera They say that mountains are repositories of earth knowledge and reposi- tories of the lineage of medicine peoples legacy. You have to go to those primary places denitely and you have to gure them out. You have to bring them out into the light of your understanding. These states have tremendous potential. A healer needs to be able to ignite to turn on the switches in a persons body whether the situation is physical or nonphysical and reactivate the memory of their healed state. Thats all they need. As human beings our bodies have memory of our healed state so it is accessing that healed state and turning on those switches. Making that memory active that is what healing is about. Healing is a non-personal state by the way. It could be personable but its not. In a non-personal state none of your stuff passes on to your clients. Conversely your clients energy does not pass on to you either. A good healer understands what is personal and non-personal. Healing is a non-per- sonal event that sources from tremendous unconditional love which sets the pace. Yet the love is not directed towards the particu- lar individual. Rather it is an energetic shift and that imbibes the land imbibes the spirits and imbibes codes of this individu- als memories about well-being. That is why ritual is necessary. To be in that deep state of ritual so youre no longer your own persona but you are animistically the guide the benefactor. You are the voice to the souls memory. You are a conduit a channel letting the body express itself. Everything in the universe has a healed state. Everything. So the shaman has to access that memory in the individual or the land. The shaman has to see sensing how and where the technical state is. Next the shaman brings this into the healing by moving energy using mesa stones or what- ever to remember and hold that healed state. Once the body recognizes the healed state and aligns itself with it thats it. The healing is done. ABOUT THE AUTHOR Deborah Bryon PhD. is a licensed psychologist and Diplomate Jungian analyst practicing in Denver. For the last several years she has received in-depth training with Qero shamans in Peru. Deborah is the author of the book Lessons of the Inca Shamans Piercing the Veil 2012. She is also an artist and member of Spark Gallery and has taught classes in psychology at the University of Colorado Metropolitan State College of Denver and at the C. G. Jung Institute in Denver.