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www.shamansociety.org 17 Bryon Jose Luis would you please explain more explicitly what ayni looks like to help people understand this essential concept when as Westerners we bring the Qero teachings back to our villages Herrera Ayni is the principle of right-rela- tionship and reciprocity. People should create opportunities to make ayni at all times. Ayni is the backbone for growth and expansion into the collective of the land. Ayni born out of tukuymunayniyok unconditional love creates more ways of equivalence and complementarity with the Universe. Bryon What is your vision Jose Luis Herrera I want people to live fully to ask themselves How can I live life to the fullest I want people to live in right-re- lationship with themselves with God with the world even with their governments and I want people to truly follow and em- brace what their hearts are here to do. This is nothing more than celebration of life the celebration of your passions whether that is digging for dinosaurs or gardening until 100 in the morning. You do not have to save the world. It is nding that internal memory that in- ternal guidance system within us. You have to have that creative capability every day at every breath. You cannot follow the footsteps of others follow your own footsteps. At the beginning perhaps follow others but then you have to actively par- ticipate in creation. Through living life to the fullest comes the realization that this is my way. We must ask ourselves Now can I integrate into the bigger collective picture Through this process can I nd my coordinates in the tapestry of this universe Where I am in all of this and whats my legacy Bryon So the point of this collective con- nection is to live fully Herrera Right. Transporting the energy of that collective state of numinous experience into daily living. The Altomesayoqs take this state of collective connection one step further by aiding the Apus in coming into physical manifestation. The Altomesayoq brings the voice of spirit. Simple as that. The Altomesayok has the ability to mate- rialize spirits of mountains. These earth bound spirits are winged beings with hu- man features that come through the portal provided by the shamans mesa a collection of individual stones that are a living rep- resentation of the shamans medicine body and personal altar ying through walls or emerging from the ground. The cool thing about working with the Apus is that these spirits are benefactors. Their job description is guardianship guardianship and stewardship of human- ity. Traditionally these Mountain Spirits are primarily involved in the well-being of crops and animals advising us about the condition of our planting herding or our health. They are in charge of providing comfort safety guidance. They make sure that there is life force in the little plants life force in the makeup of the village so everything is right-relationship. Within their realm of consciousness there are also hierarchies of power. There are little Apus that are probably more lost than you and I. There are also the big Apus. Through the Altomesayoq tradition partic- ularly in this area these spirits have fused themselves so well into our human cultural paradigm that they have even learned our language to speak think feel and validate exactly the same way we do. We are people that no longer speak to trees or mountains or anything so this is phenomenal. Bryon You have talked about the Qero prophe cy that the next group of Altome- sayoks will be coming from the West. Are the people coming from the West bridging both paradigms by learning the Qero ways What is the next phase of the vision Herrera The next step is cross-pollina- tion. You can embody the Qero teachings the Vilkabamba the other sacred moun- tain area teachings but ultimately its your voice. Ultimately as Don Manuel believed and I agree its a new evolved cul- ture. This has to do with a paradigm shift an entirely new evolved cosmic vision a different understanding of the universe. The cosmic vision of Western people is different from the cosmic vision of the mountain Photograph by Deborah Bryon _____________________________